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Lies of Locke Lamora read along, part ONE

Posted on: March 10, 2012

Hi Everyone!  Welcome to our first weekend discussion of The Lies of Locke Lamora by Scott Lynch. As resident cat herder for this first section, I got to come up with the discussion starters. This discussion covers from the beginning of the book through the Interlude entitled “Locke Stays for Dinner”, as per the reading schedule. We’ve just met our characters, and we’re getting to know the island nation of Camorr – run by  a Duke, but really run by the criminal underground, if you get my drift.  We’re just beginning to get an inkling of what’s going on, and it’s already a wild ride!

participating? awesome!  Leave a link in the comments to your discussion post in your blog so everyone else can find you. In fact, as the weekend progresses and more posts come up, I’ll be adding links to the bottom of this post. So check back again, and see what new discussions have gone up!  while you’re at it, check out Scott Lynch’s live journal, for additional fun tidbits.  Cuz he’s just nice like that.

not participating, but want to join in on the fun? Just say so in the comments, and I’ll ad you to the sooper seekrit list of goodies.

on twitter?  use #lynchmob (until we offend someone, that is).

Here are this week’s discussion starters:

1. If this is your first time reading The Lies of Locke Lamora, what do you think of it so far?  If this is a re-read for you, how does the book stand up to rereading?

2. At last count, I found three time lines:  Locke as as a 20-something adult, Locke meeting Father Chains for the first time, and Locke as a younger child in Shades Hill. How are you doing with the Flashback within a flashback style of introducing characters and the world?

3. Speaking of the world, what do you think of Camorr and Lynch’s world building?

4. Father Chains and the death offering. . .  quite the code of honor for thieves, isn’t it? What kind of person do you think Chains is going to mold Locke into?

5. It’s been a while since I read this, and I’d forgotten how much of the beginning of the book is pure set up, for the characters, the plot, and the world. Generally speaking, do you prefer  set up and world building done this way, or do you prefer to be thrown into the deep end with what’s happening?

6. If you’ve already started attempting to pick the pockets of your family members (or even thought about it!) raise your hand.

my answers after the jump!

check out other discussions here:

Nashville Book Worm
Dark Cargo
Rose’s Thingamajig
Felix Pearce
Books Without any Pictures
Lynn’s Book Blog
Geeky Daddy
Scruffy Fiction
Vilutheril Reviews
Booky Pony
Tethyan Books
Paperless Reading
Beware of the Froggies
John Ayliff
My Awful Reviews
Just Book Reading
Kaitharshayr’s Musings
All I Am – A Redhead
Realbooks4ever
Coffee, Cookies and Chili Peppers
Travels through Iest
Logan K Stewart
Hugo Endurance Project
Lisa Pizza
Dark Cargo Explorer
Genkinahito’s Blog
SF Signal
Musings of a Bibliophile
the Bente way of Life

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1. If this is your first time reading The Lies of Locke Lamora, what do you think of it so far?  If this is a re-read for you, how does the book stand up to rereading?

This is the umpteenth time I’ve read this book, it’s one of my comfort reads. yeah, totally twisted, I know.  How does it stand up to rereading? still pretty damn brilliantly. I know what’s coming, so while I’m giggling with anticipation I’m enjoying all the dialog and world building. And I’m picking up on some foreshadowing that I swear I missed last time.

2. At last count, I found three time lines:  Locke as as a 20-something adult, Locke meeting Father Chains for the first time, and Locke as a younger child in Shades Hill. How are you doing with the Flashback within a flashback style of introducing characters and the world?

I remember being really confused the first time I read it, not quite sure what was happening when. But now I know what’s going on, the different time lines are no problem. I can even imagine Locke’s eyes getting all big when he’s meeting Father Chains. little kid Locke thinks he’s all smart and clever and shit (and he is), but Chains is on a whole ‘nother level.
3. Speaking of the world, what do you think of Camorr and Lynch’s world building?

Absolutely love it. Instead of telling us about the islands of Camorr like he’s just listing facts, Lynch shows us the islands, often through describing the people who live there and what they do during the days and nights.  Each area has it’s own personality, like any large city, there are different neighborhoods that have their own flavor. Sure, the world building gets a little involved, but it’s all to a good purpose.  Cuz damnit, i can see those islands and bridges and towers and such.
4. Father Chains and the death offering. . .  quite the code of honor for thieves, isn’t it? What kind of person do you think Chains is going to mold Locke into? 

I’m a cheater, I know exactly  what kind of person Chains is going to mold Locke into.  I’ve always appreciated that right away, Lynch gives us a class of thieves that has a code of honor.  Yes, they do make their living by stealing, but nearly everything they do has a reason, there is a ritual to it.  Priests of the thirteenth indeed.  Locke is going to grow up knowing what’s important.
5. It’s been a while since I read this, and I’d forgotten how much of the beginning of the book is pure set up, for the characters, the plot, and the world. Generally speaking, do you prefer  set up and world building done this way, or do you prefer to be thrown into the deep end with what’s happening?

When authors throw me in into the deep end, sometimes I have a tough time getting my bearings. I like it better this way, with the bulk of the set up right at the beginning. It might feel like we’re being thrown into the “game” with Don Salvara, but trust me, we’re not, really.  I’m actually a bit jealous of those of you who are reading this for the first time, you probably feel like you are getting thrown in at the deep end!
6. If you’ve already started attempting to pick the pockets of your family members (or even thought about it!) raise your hand.

I haven’t tried to pick pocket my husband, yet. But my mind is darker and even crasser than usual.

Ready for the next section already?  be warned, there is torture. it is dark, and it is graphic.  Folks, it’s called dark fantasy for a reason.

54 Responses to "Lies of Locke Lamora read along, part ONE"

Oh dear. I just barely managed to put the book down after finishing Section One and now I find out there’s torture ahead?? Who gets tortured, who does the torturing? Oh, I’m going back to my book immediately! :)

http://rosesthingamajig,wordpress.com

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I’m so enjoying this reread. I think it’s so much better the second time around. (Mmm, comfort read??) I know what you mean though – I have some books that I just can pick up and open at any page to read. I love that.
Lynn :D

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I’m loving the book thus far! I just posted at:

http://bookswithoutanypictures.wordpress.com/2012/03/10/the-lies-of-locke-lamora-readalong-part-i/

and I’ll be around to everyone’s blogs later today!

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Hello there–

Here is my posting of the questions: http://geeky-daddy.blogspot.com/2012/03/locke-lamora-read-along-part-i.html

I cannot thank you enough for running this event. Hmmmm somebody gets tortured. This is the type of book it so hard to put down once you start..:) I guess I have to get going and perfect my thief skills.

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ya’ll are way too excited about the upcoming torture scenes! should I be worried?

I love that we have a gazillion people participating, but I feel like there aren’t enough hours in the day for me to respond to everyone’s posts!

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I have to say that because of YOU I now have a new author to add to my ETERNAL bookshelf. I am loving this book – all the nitty gritty bits and the beauty of the city, the world building and character depth are excellent, and I am in great anticipation over what comes next.

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ah, so you’ve got one of those Eternal shelves too? yep, Imma gonna fill it up for ya!

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It’s interesting to hear the thoughts of someone who has already read the book. Makes me even more curious to find out where this is all going. I’m glad to hear things are getting a bit darker. Things have been going very well for Locke so far.

I have posted my thoughts at: http://www.scruffyfiction.co.uk/2012/03/10/the-lies-of-locke-lamora-read-along-week-1/

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I’m absolutely loving the book so far!

Here are my week one discussion answers! :)

http://www.vilutheril.com/?p=1111

I’ll be sure to check out everyone else’s posts in the morning.

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Had I known ya’ll were so totally into torture, i’d have used that as a teaser weeks ago! Are we a sick bunch of readers or what?

thank goodness we are, otherwise we wouldn’t be enjoying this stuff so much! Yes! there is torture to come, and action and creepy bad guys and dark magic and awesomeness and false-facing and con jobs like you wouldn’t believe.

THIS is why I LOVE these books SO MUCH!!

I’ll be visiting everyone very soon!

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I’m loving the book so far! Thanks for hosting this read-along :). Here’s my Part 1 answers:

http://tethyanbooks.blogspot.com/2012/03/read-along-part-one-of-lies-of-locke.html

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Just finished reading the book, couldn’t wait because it is such a great read :) I’ve posted my discussions answers at http://www.paperlessreading.com/2012/03/lies-of-locke-lamora-read-along-week-1.html

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Heresy! To the Judicial Forfeitures with you!
Just kidding, I’m not sure I will manage not to read it all in the next day or two. :P

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Question is should I start on book 2 now or wait till next month? :P

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I am so glad I wasn’t the only one a bit confused while reading the beginning for the first time! I’m sure that after a couple or re-reads it will be perfect… I wish I had the time (and not so many books waiting in line) to do that. But I’m afraid my mind would get too crass if I abuse of Locke’s company ;)

Here’s my post for the read along: http://bewareofthefroggies.blogspot.com/2012/03/lies-of-locke-lamora-read-along-part.html

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oh, so that’s why I’m so crass? I have a filthy mouth to begin with, but everytime i read these books (which is like once a year), my language gets even more horrible! if that’s “abusing Locke’s company”, then sign me up for a full scale beating. ;)

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I’m greatly enjoying the book, and the answers other people have posted to the first set of questions! I’ve posted my answers here: http://johnayliff.wordpress.com/2012/03/10/the-lies-of-locke-lamora-read-along-week-1/

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Comfort read indeed! :D Best part is when you find yourself giggling at something people in general might not think should be giggled at.
My replies here – http://bookypony.wordpress.com/2012/03/10/locke-lamora-read-along-week-1/ – will start serious blog hopping tomorrow!

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“when you find yourself giggling at something people in general might not think should be giggled at.”

Indeed! I knew you and I were gonna be fast friends! :D

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I was reading on the bus on my way to school, but I had to stop because I was grinning like a fool and experienced a sudden case of involuntary giggling! :)

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Reading Lynch in the bus = no one sits next to you because they think you’re insane. :D

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Yes, there was a slight deep end feeling but once I started to see what was going on, all was good. Absolutely loving it so far! http://justbookreading.com/2012/03/10/the-lies-of-locke-lamora-read-along-part-1-discussion/

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Enjoying what I’ve read so far, my post is here http://kaitharshayr.wordpress.com/2012/03/10/the-lies-of-locke-lamora-read-along-wk-1/ :)

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I finally got the book Wednesday. After reading the questions, and some of the answers, since I had no concern about spoilers at this point, I’m afraid I’m put off by one big thing: multiple time-lines. I really, really prefer a straight line, beginning to end story. When there is one brief flashback in order to set some background up I’m okay, but have always thought it was just a gimmick used by the author to impress, since there could as easily have been earlier chapters or even a preface. MULTIPLE time-lines and flashbacks? Ugh. I have to ask why, other than showing how clever he thinks he is, the author did that. Certainly there’s no NEED to do it, so it’s all sleight of hand or showing off.

I’m not saying I won’t read it, and I suppose being forewarned is a good thing, but I now have reservations, and your comment about being really confused on your first reading doesn’t lessen them any at all.

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Richard, I do hope you pick the book up.

Yes, there are a ton of flashbacks, it’s sort of Lynch’s style. Is there a need to do it? is it just showing off? hmm, yes, in this particular case I’d say there’s good reason for why it’s done. And it being sleight of hand? I know you didn’t mean that as a compliment, but trust me, you couldn’t have chosen a better phrase.

I’ve definitely seen the mult-timeline/flashback come of as gimicky, but I don’t think that’s the case in this book. but since it’s one of my favorite books in the whole world, I’m probably the worst judge of gimmickyness.

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1. Time number 3 or 4 here. I loved it just as much this time as the first time, which is weird for me, I usually get burned out on books.

2. I LOVE the timelines being spliced. I feel it makes it harder to have a stale spot.

3. The worldbuilding in this book is really very good. I’d go so far as to say it’s one of my favorite fantasy worlds.

4. It’s always made sense to me for thieves to have a code, at least among themselves. Otherwise they’d rob each other blind.

5. I actually prefer it done in little bits and pieces, but I like the worldbuilding so much that the info dumping at the beginning was interesting to me.

6. If I tried to pick my roommates’ pocket, it would be too easy. No challenge.

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me too, i rarely do a reread because I already know the ending, so there is no surprise, you know? but these? I could read these every two months for the rest of my life and probably be very happy.

does your roommate know? ;)

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My thoughts on the beginning of the book are at: http://realbooks4ever.tumblr.com/. I must say this is new and different for me (an online read-along) so I hope I don’t come off as too much of a noob!
I don’t think I could have a better book to do this with than LIES OF LOCKE LAMORA. So much fun to read! :)

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the only rules for read alongs are have fun and meet other bloggers who are reading the same thing you are. It’s kinda like a super casual book club on crack. So you are doing it right! :D

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I sure hope there won’t be too many spoilers in these discussions as this is a first go around for me, but of course I’m going to be making predictions, so I apologize to others if I inadvertently happen to spoil.

1. This is my first time reading the book, and after a brief look around at all the postings, it seems as though I’m one of the few reading for the first time! I’ve actually owned the hardcover since its release (based upon the recommendation of George R. R. Martin when he was reading it) and I’m now thankful to have an excuse to pull it off the shelf (well actually a library copy to keep mine pristine in sense) and give it a read.
2. I enjoy multiple interspersed timelines and as long as they tend to follow a pattern (A-line 1, B-line 2, C-line1, D-line 2 etc) it’s not too confusing. I’ve always enjoyed novels where every other chapter or so is either a different timeline or a little anecdotal story, like those in Grapes of Wrath and American Gods. They’re great for building the world and giving little insights. And then of course there’s the masterful interweaving in Ian McDonald’s Use of Weapons.
3. To be honest, I haven’t felt that the world building has been laid on all that thick to this point. Other than the Revel, I haven’t seen too much to me that seems all the unique. I’m sure more will be revealed, especially in what seems to be an underground network of several different gangs.
4. It’s interesting to discuss a thieve’s code for Chains’s crew but I don’t really see them as thieves. To me, he’s clearly grooming (and succeeded) Locke to be a master Con Artist. Cure cons are thieves, but they do always tend have a sort of panache. They tend to be suave and high society. And sometimes the actually cons are so involved and clever, the “victim” almost has to nod and approve that they have been so masterly “had.” The intricate nature of a well executed long con is so much fun to see played out. I suggest watching the show White Collar and other great movies like House of Games, the Sting, Dirty Rotten Scoundrels, and Paper Moon as excellent Con Movies.
5. I do tend to get my worldbuilding as a slow build up, rather than info dump. I do not feel that these first 100 pages have been weighted down with too much exposition but I guess it has been quite heavy with description. I don’t mind being thrown directly into the action/world but I think I prefer have little bits revealed to me as it goes along. Check out Mieville’s City and the City for a masterful story where you truly get to explore the world and it’s rules. You get to live it and discover it without being “told” how it works.
6. Already swiped to two crowns and a copper! (okay, found the copper on the banks of the South Needle.

Hope that wasn’t too much to put in a comment. Don’t really have an active blog (have an old one that hasn’t seen a post in six years of so) to post to.

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this is a great way to post your answers! :D

have a hard cover, yet reading from a library book? You are a true connoisseur! and I can tell, pretty experienced with reading fantasy. I think about half the participants are first time readers. The Gentlemen Bastards may be being groomed as con artists, but (sort of spoiler) they have to survive in a world of thieves, so they must learn how to live as thieves as well.

ahh, the Sting, one of my favorite movies, along with the original Ocean’s Eleven and Heartbreakers. Paper Moon i’m not familiar with, I will have to netflix it!!

only two crowns and a copper? you slacker! no dinner for you! ;)

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I’d never read it before either, so there are at least a few of us first-timers :).

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http://darkcargoexplorer.wordpress.com/2012/03/10/lies-of-locke-lamora-read-a-long-part-1/

I love the multiple flashbacks. It makes the story unique and piques my interest.

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i posted my answers on tumblr, but in seperate posts because i talk a lot and this way i could annoy my friends all day instead of just once ;)

they can be found here: http://lisapizza.tumblr.com/tagged/heaps-of-fucking-fun

(and i’ll be using that tag for the rest of the read-along, if that’s any help to anyone.)

if anyone else is on tumblr, a few of us are posting and using “heaps of fucking fun” as a tag so we can find each other. feel free to join us!

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omg, LOVE that tag!!! I couldn’t have described it better myself!

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I got in a bit late this weekend, but I’ve just done my answers over at http://travelsthroughiest.blogspot.com.
Hope anyone who reads them enjoys. I’m loving rereading the book again.

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One of the things I realized through reading some of my favourite books over and over, there always seems to be something I missed in previous readings. I believe it is a sign of a truly great author to be able to pack so many signs into a book only to make them visible through repeated readings.
Thank you for organizing this, it’s much fun reading what everyone had to say (plus, I realize some people found some of the signs I missed in my first reading). :)

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I too am finding things I missed last time (or maybe the time before that). You’re exactly right, that’s the sign of great writing, when every time you return to the book you are rewarded with slightly different delicious tidbits!

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Posted my answers here: http://genkinahito.wordpress.com/2012/03/11/lies-of-locke-lamora-read-along-part-one/

There’s also some anime just to make it that little bit more individual :)

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Phew! I’m trying to get to everyone’s blogs and read everyone comments. . . this things has grown so wonderfully out of control! If I haven’t visited your blog yet, I will, very soon, I promise.

Thank you so much to everyone who is involved, this is the most incredible blogging experience!!

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Reading through these responses, especially from the folks that have read the book before, makes me rather nervy. I sure hope people mark SPOILER warning appropriately…

Other than that, I had a late start, but I’m going through, too. Thanks again, Red, for doing this. Fun, I say!

http://www.logankstewart.blogspot.com/2012/03/lies-of-locke-lamora-group-read-week-1.html

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I want to join the fun! I actyally started reading Lies last week by pure inspiration, so I’m not that far behined the reading list… And I’m reading it for the second time, so I already know the story and its outcome. Anyway, could you add me to your mailing list?

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Hi Bente! Consider yourself added for the rest of our fun crazy project. :D

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I got off to a late start, but here are my answers to part one http://www.musingsofabibliophile.com/2012/03/lies-of-locke-lamora-read-along-part-1.html

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Excellent! I added you link to the list. Don’t worry about being late, i’m just happy you’re enjoying the book so far! :D

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I managed to find a quiet bench with a scenic view and chew through the second part of the read along. This is really picking up!

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